Saturday, November 23, 2013

More Aisha Puberty Issues

More Aisha/Marriage Issues:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4yyx1qDWhQ

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Salam. Critics bring up these hadiths:

Sahih Bukkhari, Volume 7, Book 62, Number163:
Narrated 'Aisha: 
The Prophet was screening me with his Rida' (garment covering the upper part of the body) while I was looking at the Ethiopians who were playing in the courtyard of the mosque. (I continued watching) till I was satisfied. So you may deduce from this event how a little girl (who has not reached the age of puberty) who is eager to enjoy amusement should be treated in this respect.

Sahih Muslim, Book 4, Number 1940:
"Aisha reported that Abu Bakr came to her and there were with her two girls on Adha days who were singing and beating the tambourine and the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) had wrapped himself with his mantle. Abu Bakr scolded them. The Messenger of Allah (may peace he upon him) uncovered (his face) and said: Abu Bakr, leave them alone for these are the days of 'Id. And 'Aisha said: I recapitulate to my mind the fact that once the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) screened me with his mantle and I saw the sports of the Abyssinians, and I was only a girl, and so you can well imagine how a girl of tender age is fond of watching the sport.

They say that the Arabic used in the Bukhari narration is ‘Jariya’ which means 'young playful girl' or could mean:

"slave girl, female slave, bondmaid, bondwoman, odalisque girl, odalisque." (Sahkr Dicionary).

They claim that the 1st Eid occurred no earlier than Dhul Hijja, 1st Hijri. They also claim the marriage was consumated no earlier than Shawwal, 1st Hijri, which is 2 months before the 1st Eid, which means the hadiths above say she was below puberty 2 months after the consummation.

Could anyone prove when exactly the 1st Eid took place? Also, does the Arabic ‘Jariya’ only indicate one who hasn't reached puberty? Does the Arabic also mean concubine?

Here's the Arabic of the Bukhari narrations.



i heard that the shafi' school of thought says that once you hit 15 years of age then you hit puberty. is that true? so that means that believe that Aisha married the Prophet peace be upon him when she didn't hit puberty?
You misunderstood something. They are not saying that one HAS TO REACH fifteen years of age to hit puberty. It is possible for one to hit puberty before that, however if no signs show (menstruation, pubic hairs, etc.) then once that person hits age fifteen then that person is considered as hitting puberty regardless. 

Sheikh Munajjid says…

A woman is deemed to have reached puberty when one of four things happens: 

1 – When she reaches the age of fifteen.
2 – When her pubic hair grows, which is hair around the private parts.
3 – When she emits maniy (fluid released at climax).
4 – When she starts to menstruate. 

Source: http://www.islam-qa.com/index.php?re...ng&txt=fifteen



Anyway, here is another narration that has authentic chain of narrators from Sunan Al-bayhqai ( this chain of narrators no one disagree on)

Imam Al-Bayhaqi - Abu Abdullah Al-Hafith ( Thiqa) - Abu Al-Abbas Al-Assam (Thiqa) - Alrabie Bin Suliman ( Thiqa) - Imam Al-lshafi'e: " I saw women in the city of Tuhama menstruates at age of nine" [ Sunan Al-Bayhaqi Al-Kubra: 1424]

Aisha’s saying; 
إذا بلغت الجارية تسع سنين ف هي امرأة 

"When a girl 
[jaariyah] reaches 9 years old, she is a woman [imra'ah]
(Sunan al "Tirmidhi", Kitab al Nikah [Book on Marriage] 1027).

Imam Al-Nawawi said:

Aisha said;

(تَزَوَّجَنِي رَسُولُاللهِ -صَلَّى اللهُ عَلَيهِ وَسَلَّمَ لِ سِتِّ سِنِينَ، وَبَنَى بِيوَ أَنَا بِنْ تُتِسْعِ سِنِينَ
وقال مالك والشَّافعيُّ وأبوحنيفةحدُّ ذلك أن تطيق الجماع
' قال الدَّاوديُّ: وكانت عائشة قدشبَّت شباباً حسناً - رَضِيَ اللهُ عَنْهَا'


Aishah said: "The Messenger of Allah married me when I was six years old and was with me 
(i.e. lived together) when I was 9 years old." 

Malik (Ibn Anas), Imam Abu Hanifa and Ash-Shafi'ie have said: A Limit (should be placed between marriage partners until maturity) that is able for Sexual intercourse. 

"Al-Dawudi said:" And Aishah’s body had been matured
. [i.e. reached ‘good Youthfulness’ (Shabaaban husna)] – mayAllah be pleased with her"


("Sharh al-Nawawi" 9/207 [Explanation of Sahih Muslim]).

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